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Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me

Friday, October 26, 2007 -

This is the sixth rewrite of this post. It's not that I don't know how to write a thought, nor that people are telling me what to write. It's just a big deal (at least to me).

I've asked some friends for help and some have chipped in with "are you sure you want to say THAT" or "I think you sound like a drone" or even worse: "dude this is bland. You've lost your voice" (losing your voice, to someone who likes to write, really sucks).

I'm not trying to get all "Moment In Time"-y here, but this really, truly means a lot to me.

Rather than try and come up with some lame metaphors and trite pop-culture references, I've decided to use some advice from English 101 Professor:

"Whatever the hell you're trying to say, just say it"

So I will: I'm going to work for Microsoft. I just signed the offer letter. I'll be working with the ASP.NET guys on the new MVC platform as well as some other groovy things like Silverlight. I get to work "across the hall" from one of my very good friends - Phil Haack.

This is good stuff - something that my buddies will decide requires a few extra shots before the night is through. But it's a lot more than that, and this is the part that's making this post hard to write...

ScottGu called me a few weeks back and said something that I still think back on and wonder who doped his Corn Flakes:

"It would be fun to see how we can help you build out SubSonic a little more... maybe in a fulltime capacity with us?"

Talking to Scott is unnerving enough. Having him bring up SubSonic and "fulltime" in the same sentence is, well, just plain ridiculous. Whatever he put in the Corn Flakes... I want some!

So that's the deal: I'm going to work for Microsoft, and my job will be to build out SubSonic as the "sweetness" on top of ASP.NET and (more notably) the new MVC platform. SubSonic will be the convention-driven toolset for Microsoft's new MVC framework. Someone slap me.

Not only that, but I also get to work on the "knowledge" front - creating webcasts and writing up tutorials for MVC/ASP/SubSonic. I love making webcasts (if you can't tell) and getting paid for it is just ridiculous!

I think it's worth pointing out that SubSonic hasn't been "bought". Some might smell a conspiracy here, but I'll leave that to the X-Files and Cap'n Crunch crowd to drum up all the evil reasons why the mothership has "beamed me up". SubSonic will remain under the same MPL 1.1 license it rob-of-borgalways has, and will remain as completely Open Source as it always has - nothing will change at all. I'm just getting paid, essentially, to work on it :).

If you're a doubter, let me just say that I had some questions myself (when offered the job), to be honest. I was in Redmond just a month ago and when I got there, Scott told me he wanted to show me some MVC stuff but insisted that he replace my eyeballs with these glowing metal orbs. They kind of hurt... but only when I blink.

Then he hit me up with the job idea and I fell right out of my chair.

When I got up (and fixed my hair) all I could think was...

"Why me? Why now?".

Scott: "I know *exactly* what you mean. Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something new going on with the Web. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?"

Me: "The MVC Project."

Scott: "Do you want to know what it, is?"

Me: "Sure... but...why do my eyes hurt.?"

Scott: "You've never used them. They're a new beta model and we think you'll make the perfect test subject. Just make sure UAC is turned off."

I probably shouldn't make jokes about the UAC since, well I'm now a "Blue Badge" and all. But to me, this is one of the best parts of the whole deal (that I can indeed, joke about it).

I'm working for Shawn Burke, one of the "boss guys" in "DevDiv" who works for Scott and who also runs the AJAX Control Toolkit project on CodePlex (he's also the guy who drove the .NET Framework Reference Source program).

The main reason I took this job was because of the chance to work with Shawn and his team. I've been working with these guys (on contract) for the last 8 months or so, and during that time have had a chance to see that there are some truly talented and flat out bitchen people working at Microsoft. When the contract started I was kind of wary - Shawn's a workaholic who runs Iron Man's (not kidding) on the weekends. I've worked with those guys before, and it hasn't been fun.

I started rehearsing the "it's not OK to call me at 3am" phone call after the contract started but luckily, to date, haven't had to use it :). To be honest I think I hassle Shawn far more than I ever feared he'd hassle me. Not sure why he got that restraining order... but ... nevermind.

The clincher was the a conversation we had (Shawn and I), "discussing terms" of my position. Of major importance to me was SubSonic and my blog - I've developed my "rep" over the last few years and I really don't want people to think that either have been compromised or that I've "lost my edge". This is crucial to me. I decided to be direct with him and make sure we both understood these important points:

"I want to be sure I have complete creative control over SubSonic, and that you don't censor my blog... is that cool?"

Shawn's response is why I took the job:

"Well Duh..." (he added some more things that were a bit more eloquent than "duh" - but I don't think I was listening).

I can make jokes about the UAC on my blog? And make up fictional Matrix converstations with ScottGu? Sign me up! I start on November 12th, right after DevConnections in Vegas (come on by if you're out that way at the DNN Open Force).

This weekend I'll put together a webcast and a more thorough post to show what I've been working on with MVC, and also write a bit more about where SubSonic is headed.

So that's the deal. I've just been offered a really cool job, working with people I like on the tool I love. The result will hopefully to make your lives better so you can go home and watch Survivor with your family or play with your kids in the park before the sun goes down.

That's what drives me. We work too hard and I've always felt there are ways to get our work done so we can get home to the things that are truly important. I'm not about complaining or throwing stones - I've tried to work it from the inside and the door to the Chocolate Factory has just been opened...

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Zack Owens - Friday, October 26, 2007 - We all knew this day was upon us :)

Once they snagged up Phil, Rob was soon to follow.

Anways, congrats!!!!!! It's cool big community players such as Phil, ScottHa (umm... Hanselman), and yourself work from Microsoft.

Since they're paying you to make ASP.NET MVC "Sugar" with SubSonic, I know it's gonna rock!
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Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me - Friday, October 26, 2007 - [...] Steven Holzner wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptSo I will: I'm going to work for Microsoft. I just signed the offer letter. I'll be working with the ASP.NET guys on the new MVC platform as well as some other groovy things like Silverlight. I get to work "across the hall" from one of … [...]
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Ghillie Suits » Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me - Friday, October 26, 2007 - [...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here’s a quick excerptSo I will: I'm going to work for Microsoft. I just signed the offer letter. I'll be working with the ASP.NET guys on the new MVC platform as well as some other groovy things like Silverlight. I get to work "across the hall" from one of … [...]
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Dominick - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congrats! This sounds like a great deal for you and SubSonic. I can't wait to see where it goes from here.

I just wrote a little article about SubSonic and how great it is so I'm happy for you!

Here's the article if you wanted to read it
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Dietrich - Friday, October 26, 2007 - I think that's great news. Will that effect how you utilizes JQuery with SubSonic? I believe JQuery is ushering in a paradigm shift in how web interfaces are programmed and that SubSonic (and also Rails) and JQuery is a incredible combination. I'll don't think I'll ever use the asp.net Ajax Toolkit again. Congratulations, --Dietrich
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Ralf - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congrats Rob, hope to hear as much clever blog posts in the future as you did in the past. As Phil Haack signed at MS I was wondering how long it´ll take...
Don´t get brain washed.

Congrats again
Ralf
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Eric - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations.

I have yet to try out Subsonic. I looked at it way early in the game and didn't really think much of it. Maybe it's like 10x now, what it was then (a Rails "Me Too Iguana")?

Once again... congratulations with the nod!

Large ups to you.
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Kevin Isom - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Wow Congratulations Rob. That is so awsome for you.....and for SubSonic....and for everyone in the community as well. So hurry up and get to work so we can get the MVC goodness too.... And get them to send you to TechEd NZ next year so I can get you the Steinlager I promised. Cheers
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Web 2.0 - Social Media - Internet News - Blogging » Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me - Friday, October 26, 2007 - [...] the rest of this great post here [...]
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JD - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Fantastic news. Congratulations Rob! Keep rocking!
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Eric - Friday, October 26, 2007 - You know... I think I'm going to check out Subsonic tonight. Maude clear my schedule!
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Josh Stodola - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations, man! Sounds like a dream come true. You'll do great.

Best regards...
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Paul Wilson - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congrats Rob ! Sounds like a good deal for you, MS, and us.
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Rob Conery - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Thanks for the nice thoughts - much appreciated. No worries @Ralf - I gave my KoolAid to Phil :)
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Rob Howard - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Wow -- congrats Rob! This is great news!
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Haacked - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Follows me around like a lovesick puppy. Dude, why isn't my gravatar working?
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gabe - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congrats!!! This should make it easier for me to convince my office-mate to use SubSonic since he is such a m$-fanboy :)
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Kevin Dente - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Oh, SNAP. Congrats. I probably should have seen this coming. One key piece of info you left out - are you leaving Hawaii? Moving to Redmond? Like Mr "I'm tired of the sun" Haack?
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Rob Conery - Friday, October 26, 2007 - @Haacked: Microsoft didn't approve of your Gravatar and I was asked to remove it. Dude WTF? First you mess up the MVP badge, and now THIS! Phil I can't keep covering for you... Can I get you some coffee sir?
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DotNetKicks.com - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Rob Conery going to Microsoft... You've been kicked (a good thing) - Trackback from DotNetKicks.com...
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Chris Brandsma - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations, hope it goes well. Now get back to the JQuery integration! :)
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Alex - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations Rob! I knew that choosing Subsonic was the right decision, this came to confirm it.
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Rob Bazinet - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Great news Rob and a well-deserved congratulations. I guess Microsoft does "get it". It will be cool to see all the new developers we can have in Subsonic with you working full-time.
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Fear and Loathing - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Going Microsoft... We talk a lot about the ALT.NET community and how it's not anti-Microsoft but rather alternatives to...
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Steven Harman - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congrats buddy! It's been killing me not to mention this publicly so I'm glad the cat is finally out of the bag... now go get in line for the fire hose like everyone else! :)
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Keyvan Nayyeri - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations, Rob!

This is great news for the community :-)
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Ghillie Suits » Rob Conery " Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me - Friday, October 26, 2007 - [...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here’s a quick excerpt [...]
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Dave - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations man! I just started porting my company's app over to use SubSonic and have been loving every minute of it....well maybe not every minute, but most of the time!

To be honest I'm jealous! Maybe if I blogged more often about the things I was doing I'd get a call too...ah well there's always the future I suppose ;)

One thing I'm confused on is how SubSonic will work with DLINQ? It has always seemed more like a competitor to DLINQ....Watching your podcast comparing the two is what really has me wondering...

In either event, this is a great day for ya! Congratulations once again!!
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Shawn Oster - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Completely freaking awesome in so many words! Keep on being *you* and pumping out those SubSonic releases and updates and late night pearls of wisdom.
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kevin - Friday, October 26, 2007 - congrats Rob! MS hearts subsonic... nice :)
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Shawn Burke - Friday, October 26, 2007 - All your base are belong to us.

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Sean Scally - Friday, October 26, 2007 - This is a vindication for not just you but the whole SubSonic community. Maybe we weren't all crazy after all. :)

I have been wondering what the migration path from SS to LinqToSql would be in the years ahead, and now it looks like it won't be as big of an issue as I thought it might.

In any case, congrats. Seeing MS making good hiring decisions always makes me hopeful that life as a MS developer will keep getting better.
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Tomas Restrepo - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations Rob, hope you have lots of fun on your new job!
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ESICO - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congrats!

Leaving the hawaian scene?


[- Try to keep SubSonic as elegant as it is -]
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Matt Blodgett - Friday, October 26, 2007 - I _knew_ it! How long before Galloway and Atwood fall?
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josh - Friday, October 26, 2007 - should have taken the blue pill. kidding. Congrats. You and Haacked in the same building now. Should be interesting.
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Jason Monroe - Friday, October 26, 2007 - What else is there to say beside congrats!!

1. Are you going to stay in Hawaii?
2. Did you make Scott Guthrie include a special "We gotta hire Eric Kemp too" clause in your contract? :)

Nothing but green envy of course :) Look forward for excellent things ahead :)
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Geri Langlois - Friday, October 26, 2007 - OK -- I bought the NASA bit hook, line, and sinker -- even sold people on using a subsonic based app because it was NASA approved. That was April fool's day. This is not. By still, is this for real? If it is, congrats and I'll have to say that Jon Galloway is prophetic -- didn't he say that Microsoft should ship Subsonic with Atlas?
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kiran - Friday, October 26, 2007 - I totally saw this coming.

Congrats, Rob.
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Remmus - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations Rob.

I really hope SubSonic continues to get the support from the opensource community and people's expectations remain in perspective.

Let me know if you want an apprentice and can get me a visa :P
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Ivan Porto Carrero - Friday, October 26, 2007 - I like what I'm seeing from Microsoft lately... I like what I'm seeing from Microsoft lately...
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marco - Friday, October 26, 2007 - congrats Rob! and well done Microsoft!
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Michael Cullina - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratulations Rob. This will be a great thing all around.
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Simone - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Seems like my Friday night out prevented me from being among the first ones to congratulate with you. Congratulations man!!! I wish I was among you, Phil and Scott... Simo
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Denny Ferrassoli - Friday, October 26, 2007 - O-M-F-G... Sweet... absolutely sweet. Congrats, you've been a great inspiration and community leader. Microsoft is really moving in the right direction.. Thank You ScottGu!!!!!!!!!!
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Brandon Wagner - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Rob. Blast from the past, here... Congrats on the new jobby job...let's catch up, sometime.
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Hector Sosa, Jr - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Congratz Rob! I kind of figured you would be next after Phil and Scott got assimilated, erm, hired by Microsoft. Love SubSonic! Can't wait to see what is in SubSonic's future.
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Shawn Burke's Blog - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Growing the family... It's a boy! No, no, no not that. If you're a SubSonic fan, you may have seen Rob Conery's blog today...
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Stuart Allen - Friday, October 26, 2007 - This news is really good to hear. Now my love affair with SubSonic can live on forever with the backing of M$. Best of luck to you Rob, can't wait to see whats in store next.
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Morgan TIley - Friday, October 26, 2007 - C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S !!! I'm very excited for you ... and the future of subsonic :)
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Top ASP.NET Items - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Growing the family... It's a boy! No, no, no not that. If you're a SubSonic fan, you may have seen Rob Conery's blog today...
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Kent Sharkey - Friday, October 26, 2007 - Crap. er. congratulations. And yes, the Kool-aid doesn't forbid UAC jokes.
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Richie de Almeida - Friday, October 26, 2007 - "...my job will be to build out SubSonic as the "sweetness" on top of ASP.NET and (more notably) the new MVC platform. SubSonic will be the convention-driven toolset for Microsoft's new MVC framework. Someone slap me." Wow. Just... wow! ... That's really the dream, doing something out of passion then someone comes along and helps you make a living out of it. Well done.
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Rick Arthur - Friday, October 26, 2007 - I take offense at the "Captain Crunch Crowd" remark!! I happen to really like the ones with the little crunch berries. With some nice cold milk over the top.... Wait, I think I need a bowl now.
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Jon Galloway - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - @Rob - Congrats!!! I never saw this coming. ;-) Now I can stop worrying about accidentally leaking that all my friends are going to work for Microsoft...

@Matt Blodgett - I'm super happy for for these guys, but I have no intention of leaving Vertigo unless they fire me or trade me to the Cleveland Indians or something. I'm absolutely loving working at Vertigo, showing off the cool technologies Microsoft is pumping out.

@Geri Langlois - I'll have to admit I was thinking that as I read Rob's post. http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2006/08/30/SubSonic-_2800_formerly-ASP.NET-ActionPack_2900_-_2D00_-Microsoft-should-ship-this-with-Atlas.aspx
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Kenneth - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congrats Rob!
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Picacodigos - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congrats, Rob!! You just made my day, now I'm REALLY excited about MVC.NET. But, if SubSonic is getting "official" ... what about LINQ?
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Picacodigos - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Otro, otro!... ...
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Frans Bouma - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congratulations, Rob, for landing this great sounding job! :)
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Ryan Keeter - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congratulations Rob! Do you have to move..you mentioned working across the "hall," I didn't know if you were really thinking of moving.
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Sergey - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congrats Rob! Everyone wins from this :)
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The Other Steve - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Tell us more about the relationship of subsonic and Microsoft. This is awesome.
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adolfojp - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congrats Rob!

This is great news and beyond awesome!

It is also great to see Microsoft not only listening and embracing the community but also hiring it. :-P

By the way, say goodbye to your MVP status. ;-)
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Brian - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congrats Rob! Looking forward to MVC.
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Joe Brinkman - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - @Rob - Glad to see you finally come clean ;-) Although I do feel a little sorry for you... I hope you got extra pay from Microsoft for being forced to put up with Phil full time. Although it does make me wonder why Microsoft is hiring away all the talent from our Open Source panels at OpenForce next week? Can't exactly get you or Phil to bash MS on the panel when your boss is sitting right there ;-). I must say though... it has been a pretty great year for people writing Open Source on .Net. First Clemens, then John, then Scott, then Phil and now you. I think we better start screening Shaun's email.
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Adnan - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congrats Rob. This is fantastic news for the community. Really excited to see what the future brings for SubSonic
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Dana - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Holy Crap! This made my day! This is great news as I was worried that you and Eric were getting more interested in other stuff (Silverlight, LINQ, marriages, etc...) and less and less involved with Subsonic. A selfish hope I have is that sonic.exe remains an important element of Subsonic rather than the integrated build provider. I really like having a Subsonic middle tier that is used by WinForms apps as well as ASP.NET apps. So far it is working well for me and being able to step into the code to see what it is doing is huge. Best of luck with the new job!
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Brennan Stehling - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - That is a long commute. :) Congrats Rob!
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Returned from Redmond - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - [...] go out to Rob Conery who is now getting paid by Microsoft to work on SubSonic! How cool is [...]
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Damien Guard - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congratulations buddy! [)amien
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Miguel de Icaza - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Wow. And just a few weeks ago I was wondering about this, but thinking "he would never leave Hawaii" Congratulations! Miguel.
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Mike - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - I hope this will make SubSonic more focussed, just the Active Record pattern, no Sugar or whatever (that can be moved into an Extension Methods project). Hopefully also better integration with Visual Studio. So, Microsoft will support you working on a project that is hosted at Google? I hope they don't force you to move the code to CodePlex (slow website and don't get me started on Team Explorer). Well, good luck, and please keep the project focussed, and add some of that Microsoft polish, I'm sure they can help with that. Thanks!
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Ghillie Suits » Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me - Rob Conery - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - [...] Check it out! While looking through the blogosphere we stumbled on an interesting post today.Here’s a quick excerptOKOK, I’m now officially the last person *not* working at Microsoft. Feeling lonely [...]
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Dave Nielsen - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - The Truth! - for those of you wondering how it came to this. Rob was swinging from his bat helicopter on his bat rope when he latched onto Microsoft HQ. His copter was squealing, trying to lift it off the ground, but Microsoft wouldn't budge. Rather than cut bait and give up on the mothership, Rob decided to anchor down, climb on top and use SubSonic to help Microsoft build a Space Ladder to the moon. Good luck Rob, we're all rooting for you! Dave
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ESICO - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - @Dave
Hi Dave, what kind of mushrooms did you eat? hawaian? or mexican?

;)
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OJ - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - Congratulations! I'm sure I'm in the same boat as many others that read this blog in that I knew that this would eventually happen. Based your history I'd be surprised if you'd signed up for something that allowed control to be handed over to your employer. I'm glad to see that you'll have strong financial backing to make your software better than it already is. I wish you all the best in your new role, and look forward to seeing the goodies you produce! Good luck :)
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Teste » Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - [...] Doug Aamoth wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptSo I will: I'm going to work for Microsoft. I just signed the offer letter. I'll be working with the ASP.NET guys on the new MVC platform as well as some other groovy things like Silverlight. I get to work "across the hall" from one of … [...]
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WooZoo - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - "flat out bitchen people working at Microsoft. " I really liked your blog till now, but your immature use of playground speak is scary. Cussing is for people without command of their language and I know that's not the case with you, you're a decent writer.
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Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me on Styleicious - Saturday, October 27, 2007 - [...] JoeDuck wrote an interesting post today on [...]
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C# - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - SubSnoic... This announcement of Robert Conery lead me to the Subsonic project.
Quickly watched the intro screencast, very interesting DAL generator, generates LINQ style functions on DB objects.Will l ......
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Rob Conery - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - @WooZoo: LOL too funny. If "bitchen" is playground speak then I'm a donut. Uh oh... DHH is that you? @Everyone - thank you MUCH for the nice thoughts - I REALLY REALLY appreciate it. You don't know how much! In terms of me leaving Kauai... I'm sorry I didnt hear you... do what? No :) - not leaving Kauai, but it's only by virtue of the fact that there's a dev center in Honolulu, that I'll be flying to Redmond often, and that I wouldn't mention it on my blog.... oops.
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Steve Trefethen - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Congrats Rob! I've been a fan of SubSonic for about a year now and this makes a lot of sense. Keep up the great work!
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Yanin Kwiatkovsky - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Wow. That's really awesome news Rob, I'm excited for you. It's really interesting to see what comes out of this... :) Cheers.
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LarryKathy - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Cool!!!! Please keep keeping us informed....

Thanks
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oVan - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Now that's a smart move, both ways!

Many congratulations!!
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Mads Kristensen - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Congrats man!
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C# - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - SubSonic... This announcement of Robert Conery lead me to the Subsonic project.
Quickly watched the intro screencast, very interesting DAL generator, generates LINQ style functions on DB objects.Will l ......
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Buddy Lindsey - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Awesome job man. Hope to see some more great stuff soon.
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Caffeinated Coder - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - What Do Underpants Gnomes and Rob Conery Have in Common?... What Do Underpants Gnomes and Rob Conery Have in Common?...
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wagnerblog.com » If you could work anywhere in the world… where would you go? - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - [...] maybe Kauai might be nice. If I understand it correctly there will be a .NET vacancy on that island in the near [...]
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adminjew - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Congratulations Rob - Hatzlacha
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Jim Zimmerman - Sunday, October 28, 2007 - Subsonic and Microsoft... ...
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SubSonic goes LOLCODE (and Microsoft) | www.nickhodge.com - Monday, October 29, 2007 - [...] Oh, and on another note: Rob Conery is joining Microsoft. [...]
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Steve Trefethen's Weblog - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Subsonic DAL now backed by Microsoft... ...
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Jitesh - Monday, October 29, 2007 - awesome :)
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Cornel Hattingh - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Brilliant Rob Congrats. Seems hard work DOES pay of after all then.
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Michael Könings Blog - Monday, October 29, 2007 - MVC, Castle, SubSonic, bye bye WebForms ?... Ab jetzt schreibe ich in deutsch :-) ) Microsofts ASP.NET Team rund um Mastermind Scott Guthrie hat einen...
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Wyatt Barnett - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Congrats Rob. I wonder how long it will be until the borg is fully infested.
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Rob Conery (SubSonic) going to Microsoft « vincenthome’s Software Development - Monday, October 29, 2007 - [...] http://blog.wekeroad.com/2007/10/26/microsoft-subsonic-and-me/ Posted in [...]
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Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me - Monday, October 29, 2007 - [...] SubSonic, and Me thexfiles October 26th. 2007, 1:13pm Tracie wrote an interesting post today [...]
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Brad - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Congrats Rob on becoming Microserf? You'll definitely add to the brain trust.
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Rafael - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Rob

Congratulations.

I think is great for everybody (MS, Rob, developers). I think it has been a very wise decision to have you, ScottGu and Phil together.

Looking forward for the MVC!

Rafael
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Bertrand Le Roy - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Congratulations on joining the team. Looking forward to working with you...
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Abhilash M S - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Congrats Rob and Nice to know that subsonic will remain it's spirit and so will your blogs be
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David - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Congrats Rob. Why does MS need LINQ and SubSonic?
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Peter Bromberg - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Rob,
I always liked the Subsonic concept and now you have a chance to really mainstream it with a lot more support. Best of luck.
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adminjew - Monday, October 29, 2007 - I think NOW "Microsoft is Getting it";)
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faco - Monday, October 29, 2007 - Now MS will pantent all your ideas and ways to implement things. After that they will claim that none of us can use their panteted ideas without paying a license. Is not about access to source code. It's about freedom... I won't tell you "don't work for them". But, if you believe "nothing will change at all", you are wrong.
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Rob Conery - Monday, October 29, 2007 - @faco: You forgot to spell it "M$" :). Do you still leave the light on when you go to bed at night?
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Christian Convey - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - Rob, You're signing on with a company that: * Holds out patent threats against Linux users / developers, but won't specify what they are. * Has an unrepentant history of trying to grab control of protocols by "embracing and extending" them. * Has been convicted of abusing its monopoly powers by illegal product tying in order to take over new markets (Netscape. Google on "cut off air supply".) Rob, you should realize that regardless of how nice the work is or how nice your immediate coworkers are, the organization you're supporting with your work is rotten to the core. You should not feel good about supporting them. I encourage you to dream big in terms of how you put your talents to use. Don't settle for this. Life is too short, and there are too many people in need.
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Steve Trefethen's Weblog - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - Microsoft's interesting "embrace" of Windows Open Source... ...
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Casey - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - Rob, big congratulations, you've worked damn hard on SubSonic, made a great product, and the backing of MS to let you develop it further can only make it better.

To anyone still spelling MS with a $, or listing any 'bad things' that MS does... move on, life is just too short to worry. Until then, accept Rob's word that SubSonic remains open to you, and look forward to all it will deliver in future.
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TunnelRat - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - Dude, are you leaving Hawaii?

And regardless of what the Mister-Softee bashers sat, they still make great tools and eventually get things right. Now if they can just adopt a nice DAL like Subsonic, and get their Ajax act together, .NET would rule the world, and I could continue making money doing nothing but Microsoft programming for another 15 years.

This whole LAMP, Ruby, Flex tsunami has me thinking of Barbarians at the Gate...
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Haacked - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - @Christian but MS has shown signs of improvements in many of these areas. It's not a mono-culture. Sure there are bad apples. Can you name one corporation that can is blameless? Do you work for that corporation? This is not to excuse anything MS has done in the past. The point is, some of us hope to be part of the solution. Agents of change. At least that's the hope.
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Rob Conery - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - @Christian: Respect for leaving your name, at the very least. I have a story for you... I grew up in Southern California - Los Angeles. We knew the people up north hated us because (according to them) we "stole their water". We'd read news articles, see demonstrations - basically get called every name in the book. But every winter, down they would come to our beaches, to our "scenes". Probably hating it the whole time. So which of us had the problem? I say this to you because your viewpoints are pretty tilted my friend. Not saying you don't have a point - but it's the same old tired rhetoric that makes me (and others in the "So Cal" Microsoft developer's club) tune you out. You guys are smarter than this right? I know you've got to be better than the way you represent yourselves. Look at Miguel's comment above - he and I are good friends! It would be nice to read a comment from "the other side" that didn't involve the words "evil" and "M$", but so it is. Represent yourself however you see fit. For me, I see more of the same old same old and "CLICK" - there goes the off switch.
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Josh Stodola - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - LMFAO @ WooZoo!

I think Christian might have a point. He should grow his hair out so nobody finds out about it.

Haha, seriously though, don't sell out. Keep it open source or your greatness diminishes. I think you're making the right move.

Best of luck...
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Tony Testa's World - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - Microsoft gobbling up all big names in .NET...is something big planned?... Microsoft gobbling up all big names in .NET...is something big planned?...
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Work vs. Play - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - I'm going to Vegas!... DevConnections here I come! Got the conference registration, flight, and hotel all booked up today! I'll...
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for rob - Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - This is for you Rob (do you still have this bottle?)
http://forums.commercestarterkit.org/photos/spooks_pix/images/2711/640x480.aspx
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Paul - Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - WOW!! MS is going MVC!! I am so glad NET is so much more advanced than Java!! We only had MVC for what 7 years? :) Seriously, Good luck and congrats. BTW, I guess you can forget using and promoting Open Source and Linux now! Vista it is! :)
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news.com.com - Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - Microsoft hires more open-source DNA, will integrate MPL code into its MVC product... Microsoft has hired Rob Conery, founder and lead on the SubSonic project , reports eWeek . SubSonic is...
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Joe Brinkman - Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - Yes, what's not to love about the platform that gave us AWT, Swing, EJBs and the oh so useful JavaServerFaces ( I hear they now have 5 commercial components for it - a couple of them even work). Yes. It is nice that Java had MVC. Personally, I'd think that for a publicly traded company like SUN, that actually making a profit would be a higher priority, but maybe Sun's investors are more open minded about things like that. Yes. I am sure that Microsoft did make Rob agree never to mention Open Source or Linux again. Besides, he wouldn't have time for that anyway since he'll be spending all of his time focused on the company mission of raping, pillaging, killing innocent babies and destroying the planet. BTW Rob, I look forward to seeing you, Scott Guthrie, and Phil Haack on the .Net Open Source panel next week at OpenForce '07. I'll be watching to make sure that none of you use the words "Open Source" at all during the entire hour ;-).
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Scott Williams - Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - Congrats. I am glad to see the path that MS is on.They have gone (in my mind) from being this mystical company that was somewhere on the left coast to a company that is made up of people in the trenches.

When we first made the decision to use SubSonic in our project, we were worried that the project would fade away or support for it would be non-existant. I am happy to say that we were wrong on both counts. It will prpbably end up shaving several months off of the project.

It will be interesting to see how quickly and what kind of changes the new job will bring to SubSonic.
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Recent activities and inactivities - Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - [...] Rob Conery is now under the employ of Microsoft and will be aligning SubSonic with their MVC efforts. I hope this support of open-source projects is a trend Microsoft are keen to continue. [...]
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RhysC - Thursday, November 01, 2007 - Good work mate, hope all goes well.
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Jeremy Coenen - Friday, November 02, 2007 - Congrats man!
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SubSonic, MVC and IronRuby « If only I were . . . - Friday, November 02, 2007 - [...] SubSonic, MVC and IronRuby Filed under: .Net, .Net Community, C#, SubSonic, Technology, Web Development, asp.net mvc — Chris Sutton @ 9:28 am Well Microsoft has been snatching up people from the .Net/ASP.Net community.  First Scott Hanselman, next Phil Haack and now Rob Conery. [...]
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Willyd - Saturday, November 03, 2007 - Congrats Rob,

Glad to see MS is finally hiring people from the actual community and who have an opinion. Not a bunch of book-learned duds who think they know what developers want.
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Roger Jennings - Sunday, November 11, 2007 - Congrats. I'll be looking forward to "LINQ to SubSonic" in the "next major release."

See SubSonic will be the "Convention-Driven Toolset for Microsoft's New MVC Framework" for ASP.NET (http://blog.wekeroad.com/2007/10/26/microsoft-subsonic-and-me/)

--rj
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Paul Sterling - Monday, November 12, 2007 - Rob -

This is great for SubSonic (and you too). SubSonic is getting more traction all the time. Here's the latest with regard to SubSonic with Umbraco:

http://forum.umbraco.org/17150#post-17150

-Paul
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John Baughman - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - Way cool, Rob! Good luck with your new position! So does thsi mean you are moving from HI to WA?

Sounds like you'll possibly be rubbing elbows with another of my favorite bloggers - Scott Hanselman!

Hopefully this all good news for Subsonic also. I'd like to hear more about the plans for that. We are currently using CSLA and want to get away from it (sorry, Rocky!) as it is a little too cumbersome for what we need. Plus the current implementation isn't actually up to the ideals Rocky setup and trying to fix it is a rather daunting task. One of the things I'm looking for is a reason to go to Subsonic, for upper management purposes of course. I already have experience with Subsonic via the Commerce Starter Kit, I just need to prove its worth (which is more than gold) to the powers that be. If MS is "taking over" Subsonic, along with support, that's pretty much all I need for these guys...

Good luck again, and hope to hear of all the good things coming, with your management's permission of course...

-John
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John Baughman - Tuesday, November 13, 2007 - Oops, just read back thru and saw the air travel plans... Reminds me of this article by Phil Haack: http://haacked.com/archive/2007/10/29/what-does-protected-internal-mean.aspx

Just the assme part...
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Mikhail Diatchenko - Monday, November 19, 2007 - SubSonic is one of those must-have tools, and if it's part of VS - it's good. My compliments on that!
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hsingyi512 - Saturday, November 24, 2007 - Rob, Built it and they will come ... Little did you know they would be MICROSOFT ! Congrats !
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wagnerblog.com » ScottGu bucks the trend and runs the risk of….. succeeding ! - Sunday, December 02, 2007 - [...] get this stuff into ASP.NET is big on so many levels. And frankly….. I have more respect for Rob Connery and his skills than some of those folks that have been trying to reinvent the wheel at MS without [...]
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Rob Conery » SubSonic And MVC: Introducing Makai - Monday, January 14, 2008 - [...] of my main responsibilities at Microsoft is to help build out the developer love around ASP.NET and ASP.NET MVC using SubSonic and other [...]
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Caffeinated Coder >> Russell Ball » What Do Underpants Gnomes and Rob Conery Have in Common? - Tuesday, January 15, 2008 - [...] and the most recent addition to my top 10 blog roll because of posts like these. He recently announced that he is going to work for Microsoft and that he would possibly be paid to work full time on [...]
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Does the ASP.Net MVC Framework Frustrate You? - .Net Smoothie - Friday, January 25, 2008 - [...] Rob and Scott both work for Scott Guthrie now. They seemingly focus on the ASP.Net MVC Framework, which, unsurprisingly, is a blatant attempt at a copy of Rails. [...]
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SubsoniC - Monday, February 18, 2008 - I started with aQuantive on Nov-12 and had the same reservations working for MS that you had... Anyway, thanks for doing everything that you have done on SubSonic and the ASP.NET MVC bits, it really is impressive stuff. I'm working through a pilot-test of the latest build now and have been pleasantly surprised. Thanks!
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Google Blog Search Updates Link Query Algorithm — Hobby Cash: Make Cash Blogging About the Things You Love - Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - [...] Microsoft, SubSonic, and Me : Rob Conery [...]
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hipnoz - Thursday, August 20, 2009 - Congratulations buddy!